August 28, 2008 -The Ministry of Silly Walks

August 15 , 2008 -Mastering the Music
July 28, 2008 -Waltzing in a Crowd
July 23, 2008 -Dancing from the center
June 13, 2008 -A roadmap for tango students
June 7, 2008 -Decorating tango
May 12, 2008 -New pages on tango & vals cadence
April 24, 2008 -We be learnin' to walk!!
April 17, 2008 -Pages currently being added to Chapter 6 (begins with Meet the Embrace)
April 15, 2008 -Four pages added to Chapter 4 (Volver, Lawrence Welk, Loco, Tango Waits)
March, 2008 -New ending added to page 7, Chapter Three
December, 2007 -Tete, Ernesto videos added to Chapter five
November, 2007 -Ricardo Vidort videos added to Chapter Five
October, 2007 -New pages added to Chapter Six
October, 2007 -Pocho, Alito videos added to Chapter Five
September, 2007 -Last new page added to Chapter Three.
I'm very happy that you are enjoying our site! Of course you have my permission to translate it and use the material. Pages from the site have already been translated into several other languages, so it will be nice to have them in Vietnamese as well. Alejandra and I are glad we can share our love of tango with you and your friends in Vietnam.
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Of course I don’t mind when you find errors—I'll take all the help I can get! You have a great knowledge of tango lyrics and culture—and you certainly haven't forgotten your porteño roots. We did Tres Esquinas about a year ago, and I remember discussing “chatas del corralon” with my profesora. I thought it was about carts, because that’s what I found in my Lunfardo Dictionary, but she thought it described tin shacks. (I think her uncle told her that.) Now, it looks like the cart translation is correct, and I’ll change it. Thanks a lot for your help, and thanks for the link from your webpage. Hope tango is going well in Brest. If you happen to notice anything else, please let me know.
Doh !!
I am Mekimdung from Hanoi, Vietnam. Last year, we asked you for the permission to translate your tangoandchaos pages into Vietnamese and post them on our website. Now, our website is running: www.tang-go.net
And this is the link to the index of Tangoandchaos in Vietnamese:
http://tang-go.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=290&Itemid=102
Thank you very much and hope to read more interested articles from you.
Abrazos.
Thanks for an interesting question.
Personally, I like very slippery shoes and floors, so I use a smooth hard leather sole, and often a leather heel also (although a rubber heel is more comfortable, and it works fine as long as the floor is slippery). For me, the slicker the better, because it's easier to pivot, and to step well. And it’s also easier on the ankles, knees, and legs. Of course you need to stay very centered over your feet. As far as sticky floors, I just try to avoid them.
The milongueros are a different story. They are legendary for being able to dance tango in anything and on anything. I’ve seen them dance tango on wet sticky patios in tennis shoes, and even barefoot on concrete at pool parties. And Alej says they're also able to dance on the cobblestones. They don't seem to make any adjustments—they just go. It doesn't seem to bother them. But normally in milongas, they use regular leather street shoes.
While I'm not familiar with many different types of dance shoes, Alej and I are intimately familiar with the different floors in BsAs. Just for the heck of it, let's talk about some of them:
El Beso: Wood. Slipperiest floor in town. People have fallen down on it, and it's so slick it bothers Alej. But for me, it's the best—if you can find room to dance. (In the U.S., the lawyers would have shut it down long ago.)
El Arranque: Tile. Nice baldosa floor, but it's that porous type of tile that absorbs moisture from the air. When it's humid, it can be very sticky, and then as the air conditioning kicks in, you can actually feel it begin to dry and get slick. People will say "Muy pesada la pista." (Very heavy floor), and then as it dries, you can actually see the dancing change.
Viejo Correo: Nice checkerboard baldosa floor tiles, same issue as El Arranque above.
Region Leonesa (Niño Bien): Good wooden floor, medium slick. When it's clean it's great, but for awhile the owners didn't seem to be cleaning it, and sometimes it was so dirty with spilled drinks that it was sticky.
Celia's: Great baldosa floor that doesn't absorb humidity. Maybe our favorite floor. Celia keeps it spotless, and Alej and I seem to fly on it.
Gricel: Absolutely the worst floor. The club is wildly popular, and the milongueros love it... but then they can dance on anything. It's a wood floor that used to have a lot of warped boards. I think they tried to repair it, but now it has cracks and gaps that can really disrupt your dancing.
Maipu 444: Very nice newer wooden floor. Medium slick.
Canning: Great slick wooden floor. It's the floor the milongueros love most. Maybe the best in town.
Sunderland: Tile. A little rough and sticky for my taste... but then it's a basketball court. Maybe too slippery for basketball, and too sticky for tango. But I'm a sensitive guy.
Our floor upstairs: It's a beautiful new wooden floor, but I was dissapointed, because it ended up being a little sticky. They refinished it—but still sticky. I tried corn starch, which usually works—but still a little sticky. Then I discovered a thing called Blem. It's a brand of furniture polish they sell down here. I sprayed some on, and BINGO. We owned an ice skating rink! The floor guy who told us about it warned me against using it. It must have a little WD-40 in it or something. It was very dangerous—I couldn't even walk on it. Now, we use just a little, and then wipe almost all of it up with a dry mop, and the floor is perfect.
Glorias Argentinas: There is a door in the back of the dance salon that opens onto a soccer court. One night when it was incredibly crowded, they opened the doors so the overflow could dance on the court. It had a sort of non-slip sand finish over concrete, like they paint onto the deck of a ship or a windsurf board. When you planted your foot on it, it wouldn't slide or pivot at all. We were there with "El Gallego" (Jorge Garcia), and he asked Alej to dance on it. I had already tried and given up, and I really didn’t want Alej to do it because I was worried about her feet and knees. But she went ahead and danced a tanda, and although she didn’t like it she survived. I filmed it, and then a little later, I filmed Jorge when he gave a performance on the regular floor. When I looked at the film later, I could see that Alej was struggling on the sticky futbol cancha, but Jorge danced exactly the same on the no-skid sand finish as he did on the slick floor of the milonga ten minutes later.
Of course, Jorge is one of the only true professional dancers in tango. He had a successful career outside of tango dancing in Nelida Lobato's stage shows in Buenos Aires, and he was quite well-known. (He was also a boxer, a milonguero, and Pugliese's body guard as well.) Interesting guy... and also a friend. He and Miguel Zotto may have the fastest feet in tango. We'll write more about him when we post some of his videos in Chapter 5.
Thank you so much for your website. I have been dancing Tango for two years and am totally dedicated to it (my wife does not understand). I started reading your website heavily about a month ago and it is helping me put together all the different styles and philosophies of the teachers that I have worked with. I hope that one day you will be able to put together a dvd of the great dancers in documentary form so we can have an archive of Tango to preserve and promote the “Tango Real” of the Milongueros.
One day I would like to be thought of as a Milonguero but I know that is a long way in the future and probably impossible for a North American Accountant who will never reside in Buenos Aires. Anyway, I love your website and hope that you keep adding to it often.
It's great to get such an enthusiastic email. While Alej and I are lucky to be able to dance every night in the heart of tango, we actually envy you! I remember when I first began to windsurf, I was so enthusiastic that I couldn’t even sleep when I heard the wind blowing at night. All I could think about was improving so I could get out on the reef and sail the waves with the big boys. Then one of the professionals told me something. He said I was very lucky because I was learning new things every day, and dreaming about sailing, and I had so much to look forward to. He envied me because I was at the best time in windsurfing. He said even though I would get a lot better, I would never enjoy it more… and he was right! I eventually got where I wanted to be, but I never enjoyed it more than the first couple of years when I was trying to figure everything out.
In many ways, tango just keeps getting better and better as you progress. And with a little luck and a little work, you’ll discover incredible things... but don’t feel like you’re missing anything, because there's no better place in tango than where you are right now. “El tango te espera.” - Rick y Alej
Great Job and thank you for helping me decipher this dance of ours called Tango. After taking classes for about a year, I developed a strong feeling that there had to be more to Tango than prancing around, trying to copy what an instructor was trying to teach. So thank you for a lot of the answers to my questions provided in your writing about Tango. Do you know of any good instructional Videos that one can use to soak up/get what you describe as the "NUTS & BOLTS OF TANGO" in Chapter 6? It would help if as I study Chapter 6, I could visualized people doing it.
One of the things that I have learned as I get ready to step, is that as I stand on my heels, I can lean forward until I feel my toes begin to engage. So I lean forward from my heels to that place just before the toes engage (I am still maintaining the integrity of my own axis) providing my own side of the "A" that you talk about. I am still a novice when it comes to Tango, but determined to make it mine, so please feel free to correct me at will.
A bientot,
Dieudonne
Thanks for your questions. It's nice to know someone is interested in our new pages on technique.
Question 1: “Do you know of any good instructional Videos that one can use to soak up what you describe in Chapter 6? It would help if I could visualized people doing it."
Ans: I’ve looked at a lot of instructional videos over the years. Some of them display great technique (one that comes to mind is the one Pepito Avellaneda did just before he died), but I haven’t seen any that do a good job of breaking down and teaching the details of standing and stepping. Most simply demonstrate patterns and step combinations. [UPDATE: I just found a video by a fellow who seems to know what he's doing! It's a video of slow motion walking that you might find helpful. We just posted it at the end of Chapter 6.]
Question 2: “…as I get ready to step, I stand on my heels… and I can lean forward until I feel my toes engage. So I lean forward to that place just before my toes engage…”
Ans: It's great to know someone is thinking about these things! We just posted page 7 of Chapter Six. The next two pages will be up in a day or two, and I think you’ll find the beginning of your answer there. We’ll discuss working with your forward weight points, which is the preparation for stepping. Then we're going to post a section on using the compas, and after that, we’ll return and finish stepping technique in detail. We’ll also put the two halves of the embrace together. So please hang on—we'll try to clear it up for you over the next few months, and we'll include some video.
Weight on the heels: While our first exercises include finding a balance spot on your heels, that's really mostly for practice. It's not common to have your weight move onto your heels when you dance tango. It's done occasionally, but most tango is danced with the weight centered near the three dance points shown at the top of page 8. As far as your toes, I understand what you mean when you talk about your toes “engaging”. When I was trying to figure out how to stay forward, sometimes I would tense and curl my toes, like I was trying to grab onto the floor to hold myself back. For now, read through the pages we post in the next few days, and think about consciously relaxing your toes. Let your weight center on a spot just inside the ball of your foot, but no further forward. If your toes begin to tense up, you’re too far forward. You want to keep your chest just far enough forward to lead. Good posture, with chest up, and the shoulders down and back, should give you plenty of chest for leading without moving the center of your weight forward past the ball of your foot and onto your toes. As far as stepping, give us a month or so and let’s see if we can clear it up. And don’t hesitate to write again if you have any more questions after we post more.
In chapter 4, page 5, you say: He knows that life in the old arrabal was (in the words of John Locke) “nasty, brutish, and short”. That phrase actually comes from Thomas Hobbes' Leviathan.
Thanks for taking the time to help. I know there are still mistakes lurking in those pages, so please let me know if you find any more.
The walking pages are fantastic. The tip you give about always keeping the supporting leg straight is phenomenal—seems like it should be a no-brainer, but no one else in tango has ever told me that. A couple of questions: In some of the stills and videos on the site, it seems like some milongueros actually make contact with their heel when walking forward, rolling from the heel balance point through the center and to the toe as they move forward into the next step (especially Ismael, as on this page , And Julio Duplaa here), and some make contact first with their toes.
In your instructional video, you seem to step with your whole foot contacting the floor at about the same time, though it's hard to tell. So what would your advice be for those of us practicing our forward walk: heel first, toe first, or whole foot at the the same time?
Also, another thing that I get from the walking instructions, please correct me if I am wrong: the minimum separation (0) between the legs occurs on the weak beat, and the maximum on the strong beat. So it looks like that on the strong beat, the foot strikes the floor under a straight leg, but the weight is not 100% over it, it is actually in transit, pulsing forward, and is not 100% over the foot until the weak beat.
Last thing: are you planning to put up instructions for walking backwards/for women? Because I know several ladies who would LOVE that.
Good questions! I’m very glad you’re getting something out of the pages on technique:
1. Should you land flat, heel, or toe? It can be nice when you take several walking steps in corridas to hit right on the Front Balance point. It’s the most elegant walk, but doing it is like hitting the bullseye. I looked again at the demo, and I’m coming very close—but sometimes it’s hard to hit it perfectly in a milonga with different partners and different things going on. We’ll do a page on the “foot strike” soon, and demo different ways in more detail. For now, the heel is fine in many cases. I do it all the time, but the Front Balance point is a very efficient and balanced way to walk, because you land solidly on the bottom of your foot. So I would think about that when you practice.
2. Weight transfer question: 100% of your weight doesn’t go to the new stepping foot instantly—but it goes very quickly. If you look at the video, you’ll see that because my body is forward, it’s already moving quickly over the stepping leg as soon as it touches the floor. Another way to look at it is that you can see the weight begin to leave my back foot as soon as the front foot hits the floor. We’ll do a page on “bad habits” that will cover in detail what happens when you don’t do it.
3. Will we discuss women’s stepping technique? We’ve already discussed it some in Chapter 3. For now, I would just look at some of the best women in the videos. I think Alej is the best one to study because she is as close to perfect as you can get. (I know I’m biased—but many people say the same. She’s considered to be one of the very best in the milongas.) Anyway, we plan to discuss women’s stepping technique in more detail as well. (And also men’s technique when walking backward.)
4. I’m not surprised no one taught you about walking on a straight leg. I looked everywhere in videos and classes, and no one told me about it either. It took a lot of filming and dancing in the milongas to figure it out.
Amidst the flash of fanciful figures and parade of professors flowing through YouTube and our tango communities, I return to your site as a strengthening oasis and fountain of tango nourishment. It has been a while, but I must thank you again for such a wonderful resource you have created. Your exhaustive (in a good way), meticulous work truly shines as a labor of love.
My wife and I are still dancing in the U.S., but less so. Despite having ample dancing opportunities, our tango was affected by our trip last August. We were guided by some new friends to Sin Rumbo, where we met the Duplaas brothers. We also had the honor of meeting El Chino and dance at his milonga in Vicente Lopez. The memorable experience marked our tango, indelibly. I don't believe any one style can corner "truth" in tango, but for us, enjoying these milongas was our tango truth—a feeling, a way of being that cannot be expressed in words. It felt 'adult' and elegant. Unlike the Dancesport mentality back home, dancing was secondary to the enjoyment of the company. So coming back to the States with all these nuevo acrobatics and deaf headless chicken runs, leaves us a bit depressed. We have a feeling of homesickness for tango—or the milonga of adults, ease, and elegancia. Please keep up the wonderful work. What you, Alej, and your friends have created is truly a beacon for tango.
ps: I can't stop watching this video of El chino. Its salon aesthetic represents for us the real beauty of Tango.
We don't always respond in this section to nice comments like this one—but we do respond personally by email.
(By the way, we'll be analyzing an even better video of El Chino in Chapter 6. It should come sometime in August or September, when we're around page 24.)
Thank you both for spending your time and energy to disseminate your knowledge and inner understanding of tango. I am slowly digesting your technique pages, especially the walking. They are excellent. I would love to see similar videos of Alej walking, and of you both together.
Your site is getting quite large now, and has some wonderful sections, however, sometimes, I get lost in it and cannot find what I am looking for. Is it possible to add a search facility or a navigation system as a constant on every page? Thank you again.
Thank you for your kind comments—and especially for the Borges quote. I’m glad you’re getting something from the walking pages. Alej and I will try to demonstrate some of the things we use in the milongas together a little later in Chapter 6 when we have more time.
You’re right about the need for better site navigation. The site is getting big. Huge may be a better word. For now, the way I find things is to go to Google and put in “tangoandchaos” along with the word I’m looking for. It works pretty well—although it seems strange to go to Google to look for things in my own work. I’ll see if I can find a search function to put on the site.
As far as your Borges quote, I talked to Alej a little about it (she actually knew Borges), and I had a couple of ideas about what I thought it means... but then I thought some more, and I realized they weren’t very good ideas. In fact, I realized that not only can’t I explain or add to the quote, I don't think I can even translate it. But it does remind me of something that happened a couple of years ago:
I was with a group of young Argentines. They were soccer players and professionals who had nothing to do with tango, and one of them said to me, “So you dance tango? I thought about trying it... but dancing never interested me very much.” Before I could respond, one of the others said, “Well, tango isn’t a dance…” And two or three others jumped in instantly and said, “Yes, tango isn’t a dance.” After a moment, the one who spoke to me nodded, and said, “Well… of course you’re right.” Looking back now, I think it's connected to what Borges wrote.
I had been waiting for the video in Chapter 6 that contrasts the two styles of stage and social social tango, and the one you chose was an excellent idea. Absolutely brilliant! Maybe it wasn't the organizer's intent, but I think Gustavo makes a complete fool of himself here (video on page 4, Chapter 6). This video is one of the best demonstrations of how inappropriate it is to express the music with movements totally alien to the cultural context in which tango developed. I am often astonished at how insensitive people are to the 'amputation' of artistic expressions, and it's almost fascinating to which extent tango is subject to this kind of treatment.
Well, you probably got enough feedback already. Anyway, I’ll repeat it here: Great work, Rick and Alejandra! Everything in chapter 6 makes sense and nicely fits into the principle “form follows function”.
Thank you so much for the very nice email. I’m happy the “form follows function” way of looking at tango comes across clearly. It always gives me a nice shot of motivation to get a message like yours.
I think the most important thing a tango dancer can do is to work on basic technique, and learn the lyrics and meaning of the tangos. It's the only way I know to really feel tango, and to understand what's happening in the milongas.
As far as Gustavo Naveira, he seems like a nice guy. After the end of the dancing in this video, he stuck around and helped everyone take pictures, and he was very friendly. I also think he and Giselle are good dancers. They stay balanced, and in the compás, and they move well together—but they represent some things in tango that I don’t agree with.
Naveria (and his ex-partner Fabian Salas) have often said that they don’t believe tango should be tied to the music and culture of the Buenos Aires neighborhoods. They see it as an international dance, made up of movements that need to be changed and used creatively. And I suppose, the dancing in the video is an example of their approach. Like you, I don’t care for it. It just doesn’t seem like a very good way to express the music they’re dancing to—but that’s really their business. What I strongly disagree with, however, is the way they move when they're near the other dancers.
If you look carefully, you’ll see that just as Gustavo begins dancing in the video, he kicks forward toward the camera with his left leg, and then instantly brings it back, so that his foot lands behind him and to the side. It comes very close to Jorge Uzunian, who is dancing next to the wall. Jorge can’t really give any more space to Naveira, but Naveira has plenty of room in front of him. This may seem like a small thing, but it's an impolite and aggressive way to dance in a milonga—and it’s also unexpected.
This is a bit technical, but in a crowded milonga, if you’re behind someone who takes his back leg and steps out to the front with it, then some of the space he vacates becomes yours. He can return to the space, and you need to be out of the way—but you’re entitled to step into it and use if for a moment. If, however, he kicks to the front, and then immediately throws his leg back behind him, it messes up the system. There's nothing new or creative about what Naveira is doing. It's not tango—it’s a karate kick. And if you look for it, you'll see him do it three times. He's using the dance floor for martial arts practice. He and Giselle are very popular teachers, and if they do it here, you have to assume they're teaching things like that all over the world.
You can see in the rest of the video that all the milongueros keep an eye on him, and they give him two or three times more space than they give each other. They keep their distance, because they sense he’s moving unpredictably. Alej and I know all these guys well, and they hate to be touched when they dance. We don’t like it either, but we dance around them in tight spaces all the time with no problems. A little bumping is sometimes unavoidable, but it’s one thing to brush elbows every few weeks, and a very different thing to risk being kicked or stepped on by someone moving like Naveira and his partner. Proponents of this type of dancing sometimes say, “What’s the problem? We only do big moves when there’s room”—but it’s not just a question of big or small moves. It’s the unpredictably and the distraction this kind of dancing creates.
By the way, you're very kind to use the word "brilliant"—but there's really nothing brilliant by Alej or I here. After looking at this video again however, I realize it does contain something truly brilliant. Check out the double giro by Miguelito. He does it after Naveira moves out of the way. He goes around twice, and then walks out backwards, toward the wall. That is brilliant. No exaggeration.
I wish to complement you on your website—in particular, the section on walking. To me this is the most important element of tango and something that gets too little attention from many instructors. Of course, figures can be fun and nice to know, but without proper technique in the caminada progress is definitely hindered. I think your exercises provide a good example, and with maybe 3-5 years of diligent practice motivated students should begin to get it.
Also, you held up Finito as someone to appreciate. If I am correct, he is considered an exponent of what has come to be called Villa Urquiza style, which is somewhat different than what is labeled Milonguero. Can you comment as to the distinction? I am drawn to the Villa Urquiza style with milonguero sensibility. Some dancers I like are Jorge Dispari, Javier Rodrigues, Andres Laza Moreno—do you have opinions on them? My partner and I will be in BsAs in August and are considering lessons with Jorge and Turca.
Wow. These questions are hard! Now I realize why I never put a comments section on the site for the first five years. I’m getting called out on all sorts of things—but I’ll try to do my best on this one.
First, I really like what you say about it taking 3 to 5 years of diligence to begin to understand walking. Very smart. (I would emphasize the “begin” to understand part.)
Second, as far as the people you mentioned, I’m familiar with the first two, and I checked out the last one (Moreno) on YouTube. My opinion, for what it’s worth, is that they’re all excellent dancers, and if you want to use them as role models, or as teachers, you couldn’t do any better—with this caveat: They all have both feet planted pretty firmly in the academia-performing world, with only a toe stuck into social tango. The type of tango you learn is your choice, but if you want to be a good social dancer, I’d be careful about learning some of the more complex and showy parts of their dancing. My advice would be to use them to learn good basic technique (which they definitely have), and then try to dance a lot in milongas. I know this isn’t always possible outside of BsAs, but if you can find a way to get several thousand tangos among accomplished social dancers, the “steps” will come. I don’t know exactly how or why, but you’ll begin to absorb things from the other dancers, and the music will begin to pull the steps out of you. I think it’s the best way.
If you don’t have that opportunity, then I think you should watch videos of the best dancers over and over. Don’t necessarily copy steps, but try to absorb their posture, cadences, and movement. Also, try not to watch bad dancers. There are lots of them in the milongas, and there seem to be more and more on video and on the Internet lately. Look the other way.
Now comes the part of your question I don’t really want to answer. Tango styles. There’s really too much to say here, but I’ll try to be concise: I speak very strongly against the existence of identifiable styles in social tango, but the truth is that no one can really say for sure whether they exist or not. Here’s what I’m sure of: 1. Alej and I have danced everywhere in BsAs, and filmed everywhere, and we can’t really identify any styles. 2. Almost everyone who dances all the time in the milongas will tell you they don’t exist (and that includes most of the best milongueros—including several from Villa Urquiza.) 3. The people who do believe in giving names to separate and distinct styles of tango are almost always from the academic-performing world, rather than the milongas.
That’s about it. For me, it’s not really important whether tango “styles” exist or not. This group of very good dancers that you mention do have a lot of similarities in their dancing—which makes sense, because they practice and perform together. I’ve studied Javier before, and they all seem to dance with great posture, and they step onto their heels, and then quickly flick their feet down onto the floor. It’s looks nice, and if they choose to call it the “Villa Urquiza style”, they may be correct. In the end, however, I think the important thing is to have good technique, dance a lot in the milongas, and don’t bother your neighbors. If you really feel and enjoy the music, sooner or later, your own style will come. What you call it is irrelevant.
Finally, as far as Fino, I think he was the best. Period. He set the standard for modern tango dancing. If you define the Urquiza style as the way the people you mentioned dance, then I would say no. His basic technique has a bit more forward energy, and the way his foot contacts the floor is different. Not a criticism of them, but for me, his technique is different.
Response by Maurice:
Regarding styles I came across an interview with Andrea Misse and she said they danced salon style, and Villa Urquiza is just a famous place where there are many good salon style dancers. Javier stated "there are only two types of tango, one is good, and one is bad. To dance good tango is not to show off the steps and technique, but rather the essence of tango is how you feel and care for the woman, how you let her dance beautifully. You want the lady to sleep and dream with the music in your arms; not tear her hair out trying to guess and follow your next move."
To me this seems good advice and maybe Andrea answers the question of Villa Urquiza. I came across the section on your site where you basically divide tango into two classes—social and stage. This makes sense to me. Back to the walk—I have heard from many teachers that you flex into the supporting leg before moving. Now, the dancers I like seem to move exactly as you describe, although they may step with the heel first.
Ans:
I can't think of any reason to bend your weight bearing leg from floor contact through the middle of the step, but there may be times when you bend your supporting leg at the last moment to help push off into an extra long step. And you might also use it occasionally for emphasis when exiting a pause—but I don't think it's something you should do all the time. We'll cover it more thoroughly soon, and give some examples in Chapter 6.
Thanks for your amazing work, specially the collection of milongueros videos and the technique Chapter 6 "Back to School". I started taking tango classes in the USA, eight years ago. I had danced salsa and other Latin rhythms before, where listening to the music and the beat is key. So I was very surprised when in tango classes, all the emphasis was on the figures and sequences. I only had one short class from a teacher who explained the tango rhythm in terms of strong and weak beats, and gave us indications on how to walk and pause.
I took several classes with different touring teachers from Argentina, and it was always the same: a bunch of figures, sequences, more figures. At that point I strongly started to feel that it had to be much more to tango than figures and sequences. There are so many orchestras, so many excellent singers, so many rhythm and melody subtle variations in tango, that it didn’t make sense to interpret them with pre-established patterns. I began to search the Internet, but all I could find were a few references to Tete, Pepito Avellaneda, and Miguel Balmaceda. I ordered their videos, and looked for the parts where they improvised, but there were still no videos available of people dancing in a real milonga in Buenos Aires.
Then a couple of years ago I found your page, and together with the now available online videos, I began trying to figure out what it is about these miolongueros, that makes me watch their videos again and again. When I watch a video of stage tango, I usually enjoy seeing it one time, but then it becomes boring to watch it again. Somehow I can watch your selection of milongueros videos again and again, and I find them always enjoyable. My theory is that because of the interpretation of the music they do, it is like listening to your favorite song by your favorite singer, without getting tired of it.
Then last week I found your newer section "Back to School", written with such clarity and precision as only an engineer can do it (are you an engineer?). This section is a true treasure for those of us who have not gone to Buenos Aires milongas, but still want to absorb some of the technique that allows such beautiful interpretations of tango. Thanks a lot for your excellent work. I am sure there are many people around the world that truly appreciate it. I wanted to send you a link with one video I recently found, and that has become one of my favorites. It is just amazing how their dancing matches perfectly the music and the mood of the song:
Thank you so much for your very kind and interesting email. And thanks for the link to the video of Ruben. He’s a friend of ours, and we were very happy for him when he was recently able to get a visa so he could travel to the U.S. and teach. We have tons of video of him—although I haven’t had a chance to put any of it on the site yet. I’ll probably put some in Chapter 5 when we get time, but he's dancing great in the YouTube video, so we might as well let someone else pay for the bandwidth, and encourage people who want to see him to follow the link you provided. (One of his best friends is Ismael, the first milonguero shown in Chapter 5.) (Also, the music in the Ruben video is great. We translated it a while back, so we'll add it to Chapter 4 when we get time.)
By the way, I’m just finishing a page in Chapter 6 that has a great video of Ricardo Vidort. It’s one of the first videos I ever took in BsAs of him dancing with Alej in an old house in San Cristobal. The quality is terrible, but for me it’s beautiful. It’s from the time I first met both of them, and Ricardo is dancing with tremendous power and enthusiasm to Vargas’ Adios Arrabal. I just discovered it, and I think it’s his best. Even though the video quality is terrible, it’s a true clinic on how to dance tango.
Your website keeps getting better and better and I learn from it. I have a few questions about dancing tango. Ahh, where to begin…
I believe, you wrote that dancing tango is dancing the lyrics. Since I'm not from Argentina and I know next to nothing of Spanish, learning the lyrics is going to be a very long process. I figured if I first learn to hear the music, compás and melody, and dance that, it would be far more helpful. For over a year now I've been making my own CDs of tango music that I like and I listen when I drive. Now when I dance I can, for the most part, step on the compás. I also know there is more going on in the music than I can discern. Whether it's the melody, the weak and strong beats etc. I know it's just a function of where I am in the learning process.
I've also read on the Internet where people say you can't dance the same way to different orchestras. Well, that's fine and dandy except no one actually explains what that means. I understand it conceptually what they're saying, but that isn't good enough. I'm not a musician nor am I a professional dancer. Could you explain how each of the orchestras played their music? How would you dance to Biaggi differently to Troilo? I want to expand how I'm listening to the music, which will expand how I can dance to the music.
My other question is that I eventually I want to come down to Argentina and learn to dance there. Do you know of anyone in Argentina that teaches these elements you listed on page 19 of Chapter 6? I am not interested in steps or patterns. I am willing to learn the basics.
More difficult questions... but thanks for writing! I'll do my best:
Learning lyrics: Every time I learn the lyrics of a new tango, the enjoyment I get from it increases tremendously. The music seems to come alive, and then when I hear it in a milonga, I can’t wait to get up and dance. It’s like getting up to greet an old friend. You’re probably right when you say that learning compás, posture, and step, should come first, but when you feel ready, try picking a tango you like in Chapter 4, and learn the words. See what happens. If you don’t like it, don't do it any more—you can still dance well without knowing the lyrics. But if you like it, then try another one. Don’t rush. Learn at your own pace. If you get interested in a tango, you may naturally want to find out more about it. Just getting to know a new tango every few months adds up, and over time, I think you'll notice that your dancing will begin to change. The more you listen, the more you'll hear, and the more confidence you’ll have on the dance floor. Your dancing will begin to flow naturally from your deeper connection to the music. This is a process that goes on for a lifetime, and it’s a big part of the fun of tango.
Compás: Most of the dance tangos have a clear compás (most of the time). Tap along in your car as you listen. First the strong beats, then both strong and weak beats. Then, practice tapping to only the weak beats. If you have trouble finding the compás, there's usually someone around who knows music or who dances a lot who can help.
Dancing to different orchestras: I’m not sure you can say you should dance in some specific way to each orchestra. The great orchestras played different tangos in different ways. The most obvious difference, even for a beginner, is the cadence of the music. A faster cadence means you have to take faster steps to stay in the compás. After that, it pretty much depends on every dancers artistic interpretation. If you look at the different milongueros dancing in Chapters 5 and 6, you'll see a wide range of ways to interpret different types of music. As we get further into Chapter 6, we’ll begin to look at this in more detail, and this may help to answer your question. We’re currently on page 20, but we’ll soon post a page that discusses a couple of stepping techniques that can be used for different types of music.
Recommending teachers: We're often asked to do this, but I’m sorry to say that we can’t. I mean it—I really am sorry. If I could say, “Go spend a month with XX, and you’ll be a better dancer”, I’d do it in a second. But the problem is that Alej and I don’t take classes, so if we started making recommendations without taking a million classes and acquiring a first hand knowledge about lots of teachers, it wouldn’t be accurate or fair. Here’s a suggestion: On this site you have some examples of the best social tango dancers in the world. Look at them very carefully, and think about our discussions of the techniques they're using. If you like the dancing, and the discussions make sense to you, then do your own research. Look around and talk to some teachers and students. Tell them what your goals are, and take some classes. Look for someone who knows what they’re doing, and can help you move forward in the way you want to go. But remember, other than mastering a few difficult but basic techniques, the road through tango is very personal. It belongs to you, and no one can tell you how to dance.
Response by Joe:
Thank you so much for your reply. I realize that learning to dance Tango is a personal experience. It's also something that you can't buy off the shelf at your local supermarket. So, I'm enjoying the journey and I don't take myself to seriously. What I want is to dance "elegantly". Now that's a big theme that has many things connected to it.
I saw a posting on the Tango-A list that mentions “Milonga Lisa” and “Vals Criollo”. I sort of gathered in passing from Christopher and Caroline that milonga lisa is slower: as in taking 2 beats for every step in milonga. As for vals criollo, I have no idea. Can you enlighten me?
Other than the literal translation (a simple, unadorned milonga—maybe without traspie, or a vals that originates in the countryside and is danced or played by the native Criollos), I don't know. Maybe you could email and ask the couple that posted the message, and let me know if you find an answer. We’ll also ask around in the milongas to see what we can find out. I'm sure some of the milongueros, or DJs like Dany, Natu, or Orlando will know. (Anyone reading this is also welcome to respond).
Response by Christopher Everett — July 30, 2008
Milonga Lisa is milonga sin traspie, with very simple sequences of forward, back and side steps. Vals Criollo is a subcategory of vals. I've also seen Vals Peruviano and Vals Boston in discographies, for example. There's a species of Argentine folk music that is also 3/4 time like vals, but it's clearly music for people wearing muddy clodhoppers (but great for training newbies to hear the 1-2-3-1-2-3 of vals rhythm). I'm not clear on the specific distinctions, but I know that it has to do with phrasing and rhythmic structure. Hope this helps.
I was quite stoked to discover that you'd added some new pages to your site recently! I started to learn to tango two years ago, and in May returned from four months in BA. Now I am re-reading some of your stuff and of course it has new meaning, like anything great will over time. I was thrilled to discover that the old end wasn't the new end!
I know it's hard to believe that your site could be the first place someone might have ever become aware of songs like Farol and Suerte Loca, but in my case, it's true. I had also procured my tango through recording internet radio station broadcasts, an hour at a time, deleting the breaks and adverts, normalizing the files... ended up with a collection of about 500 tango hours. So I was hearing and dancing to wonderful music, but not learning anything about its provenance. Your site got me on that road. Now I wake up with melodies pounding in my head asking myself, "Oh my god, was I dreaming Al Compas del Corazon or was it Corazon No Le Hagas Caso?" It may be only the dawn of consciousness, but at least it's not the pitch black of night. I will also be very interested in any further technical ideas you glean from your experience and observation. Cheers and bravo.
Reading your words of love on tango and the milongueros makes me want to return to Buenos Aires immediately, where I only just left. How quickly does one forget the noises, the bad air, the stress, the soaring inflation, the leaden bureaucracy, the old and new troubles between the government and the campo from that mad city. Now I'm suffering so much here in China, so far away so alien to tango...
You are not only talking wisely on tango but life in general, like what Borges says, “El infinito tango me lleva hacia todo.” Your section on Volver has provoked so many emotions and memories in me, as I've just returned to live in China after spending almost 20 years living in Europe, the Middle East and Argentina where so many things happened, good and bad. Now, here I am, back in China—same person but different. “Pero, es un soplo la vida, que 20 años no es nada...” Nothing is more fitting to my life at this stage than this tango!
Also appreciate the page on perfection in Chapter 4 (or rather on less so), What wise words! That's what makes tango real. I envisage those maestros viejitos, like Troilo with his double chins up, eyes closed, lamenting on his bandoneon. Far from fresh-faced and wide-eyed—maybe scarred somewhere and wounded at heart, but wise and interesting and has stories to tell.
And the VIDEOS!!! You're making some amazing archives of tango and milongueros in Buenos Aires! What wonderful work you've been laboring so hard! Congratulations! Among zillions of sites of self-promotions and sales, TangoandChaos is an act of love and nobility. Bravisimo!
One reason Alej and I stopped dancing outside of BsAs is because we felt that most people didn’t want to take the time to understand tango. Too many people were re-inventing it for their own purposes, and we eventually found that it was just no longer fun to be involved. But the comments we’ve received since we added this section are amazing! There are emails from all over the world, and even though English isn’t always the writer's first language (or maybe even second or third), the passion for tango shines through.
I used to think there was something in the air or the water of Buenos Aires that gave people the unique ability to understand tango—but now I’m not so sure. Even in BsAs, it’s a rare thing to feel tango the way the milongueros and milongueras do, but now I’m beginning to think that there are milongueros and milongueras all over the world. They may not have the opportunities we have in BsAs, but the passion, the humility, and the hunger for tango is there. Thanks for your beautiful email.
This site is really very very good! Every dancer (and definitely every teacher) should read this before going to his/her next milonga/lesson. It all looks so pure and simple that I'm sure it's very difficult to obtain the level of dancing showed in the videos. You (your site) made me look in a different way at tango (and BA and Argentina). Thank you.
Your site has kept me glued to my computer for the last 3 days. I'm stealing all the free time I have at the moment to go through the information, not necessarily in chronological order. You've done an incredible job. Thanks a lot for all the time you have invested distilling the essence of Tango.
I would disagree with one part of your translation of Manoblanca in
Chapter 4:
"Reluciendo la estrella de bronce claveteada en la suela de cuero"
"With a shiny bronze star nailed to the sole of your boot"
I think that's not correct. I never saw or heard of any "carrero" having a bronze star nailed to the sole of his boots. Instead, it was current for them to nail a bronze decoration to a piece of sole that would hang as a necklace before the horse's breast. It was the pride of those guys to pay for decoration to their horses or carts. Much like the decoration you can see in some trucks and "colectivos" in Buenos Aires still now. The popular craft of "filete" or "fileteado" was born of that. [See picture to the left.]
I did a little search on the web to try to obtain some documentation on a horse's attire at the time of "cuarteadores" and "carreros" in Buenos Aires. To no avail... except that I found a photograph of some guys parading somewhere -- they are disguised somehow like Basque or Catalan Spaniards, so I suppose they are in Spain—but the picture allows me to make my point. If one looks at the thing that hangs to the horse's neck. The "estrella de bronce, claveteada en la suela de cuero" of the lyrics would be placed exactly at the same place using the same technique. I remember having seen some decorations much larger than the one you can see in the picture. But then, after seeing this picture I began thinking that in fact the bronze star can also be on the horse's front. Or in those things to hide the eyes—whatever their name is—but in that case it would be two of them, and the lyrics only tell about one. Anyway, Manzi makes special attention not to tell where the horse wears his bronze star. Maybe you should avoid in the translation to do what Manzi didn't: place the star. In any case you have all my best wishes of success with the translation! It would not be an easy one!
Another thing: "Vamos, fuerza que viene barranca!" I think that "barranca" should be capitalized. I don't remember if there's a "barranca" in the Once and Caballito neighborhood, where the lyrics place the scene. A "barranca" being a kind of gentle cliff. There's one at Belgrano, somehow afar from Once. But if there is one at that eastern side of town and doesn't have a name like "Barranca de Belgrano", the poet would have put: "Vamos, fuerza que viene LA barranca!" or "Vamos, fuerza que SE viene UNA barranca!" So I Think that when he names this particular "barranca" it's a shortening of "Barranca de Somewhere". Un abrazo milonguero.
Leo, thanks again for your excellent help and attention. It’s surprising how many people read these translations, and they should be correct. So I changed the literal translation of “attached to the boot sole” to “attached to the harness”, meaning, attached somewhere on one of the harnesses. I think that’s about as close as we can get.
The next question is also tough: Does “barranca” refer to a specific hill, in which case it should be capitalized, or is it just any hill? I think we’re splitting some pretty fine hairs, but it’s a fun discussion, so let’s keep going. It seems to me it could be either one… but if had to guess, I’d say Manzi and Vargas probably didn’t think about it that much. Maybe they just needed a hill to make the story more interesting, and putting in “la” or “una” didn’t fit well with the music.
Anyway, BsAs is pretty flat, and most of the barrancas I know of slope downhill toward the river. And the route from Once to Pompeya is toward the Riachuelo, so you’d expect that if there are any hills, Manoblanca would be more likely to descend rather than climb them. However, in the interest of historical accuracy and academic rigor, I am prepared to go the extra mile on this one… literally! So, if this freezing, grey weather ever lets up,I’ll ride the route on my bicycle, and look for hills! The only people who are more aware of hills than horse cart drivers are cyclists, so I’ll follow an approximation of the boy’s path from Plaza Once to Manoblanca's monument at Centenara y Tabare. And if I find any hills, I’ll ask the locals if they have a name (and maybe also if they ever saw Manoblanca trot by). So stay tuned, and I'll report back. (Meanwhile, if you haven’t heard it in awhile, you might want to listen again to Manoblanca. Vargas is always great, but he’s even greater in this classic tango.)
Thanks for all the distilled wisdom on your website; it will take me years to absorb and try to implement. I hope you won't mind if I ask a very basic question. To also step on just one weak tango beat, I do two quick steps (one from the strong beat to the weak beat, one from the weak beat to the strong beat) and then back to stepping only on strong beats. Hence I do 2,4,6 ... quick steps. However, you explain that such runs are 3,5 etc. So I must be missing something but I just don't know what and I find it difficult to sort this out by watching others.
I also have a general observation - that many people walk quite badly (just down the street, not tango walking) and this seems to compromise their tango potential even before they start no matter how keen they are. By the way, I'm from UK. I'd prefer to be anonymous but would really value your insight into the above query. Best wishes
In music, and also maybe in ballroom dancing, they have a standard method for counting cadence. I don’t have any training in either one, so in tango I simply count the dos por cuatro of the compás as a strong beat followed by a weak beat. To do it in a simple tango walk, you might say “strong” each time your foot strikes the floor, and “weak” when your ankles pass. You could also use “tick-tock” instead of “strong-weak”.
If, however, you decide to step on the “weak” beat that comes in between, you will have to step faster (twice as fast) to hit it. Here’s how your walk would sound if each time your foot strikes the floor, you call out the name of the beat that you're stepping on:
“strong……strong……strong……strong..weak..strong……strong……strong”
Now, let’s substitute numbers:
strong……strong……strong……one..two..three……strong……strong”
Here’s a 5-step corrida, that hits two weak beats in a row. The result is to step on 5 consecutive beats:
“strong……strong……strong……strong..weak..strong..weak..strong……strong……strong"
"strong……strong……strong……one..two..three..four..five……strong……strong”
I don't think there’s a right and wrong way to count the cadence in tango. This is just what I use to understand the corridas that I see in the milongas. Demos of stepping on the weak beats begin on page 16 of Chapter 6, and there are some examples of counting the compás of milongueros on page 20.
As far as people who walk badly on the street, I know all about it because I'm one of them. But I've practiced and worked on it so much that I've been able to overcome it when I dance. Later in Chapter 6 we'll add some of the walking and balance drills that have helped me.